From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr@...>
Oct 15, 2006
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From: "iwireless2001" <waynem@...>
Oct 16, 2006
Gee, you would have thought that somebody as big as HP would have
figured =
out a way to make it work in BOTH directions. It is great
that they can g=
et photos now. But they can't send those photos !!!!
Unless HP comes out w=
ith a second unit that does both send and
receive, I don't see this going =
very far ????
But then, that is my conclusion !!
What we REALLY need out =
there is an Upgrade to the Mailstation 350
unit, (with all the new tech ad=
vances lately) which would do the
email and pictures !!! HP should partne=
r with somebody to build the
unit........
Wayne
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From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr@...>
Oct 16, 2006
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You'd basically wind up with an all-in-one unit - one that can email as wel=
l as fax!!
Neil
From: iwireless2001
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can get photos now. But they can't send those photos !!!!
Unless HP come=
s out with a second unit that does both send and
receive, I don't see th=
is going very far ????
But then, that is my conclusion !!
What we REA=
LLY need out there is an Upgrade to the Mailstation 350
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unit........
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From: Gary Clouse <niklaus37217@...>
Oct 20, 2006
There is something that does all that. It's called
msntv.Of course you have to put up with the Microsoft
tax, and allow Microsoft to scan your email, tv
viewing selections, and web useage logs for personal
information they sell to advertisers.
Compaq (now a part of HP, manufactured the IPAQ IA-1
and IA-2 Web terminals. these included a 56k modem,
monitor, sound, keyboard, and usb ports in a compact
standalone unit. The run a flash based version of
Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect
to MSN. A special version of the IA-1, known as the
Clipper, had similar capabilities but included a
10baseT ethernet port, used the BeIA (BEOS for
Internet Appliances) OS, and was not explicitly locked
to MSN. Clippers will work well with an internet
connection through a cable modem, but are somewhat
rare as Microsoft used it monopoly power to leverage
anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to
discontinue the Clipper.
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From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr@...>
Oct 20, 2006
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Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance!
Neil
sage -----
From: Gary Clouse
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From: "wayne" <waynem@...>
Oct 23, 2006
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You have a point there !!!
That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license.
It could be an Open service for any ISP or email service.
The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it,
and still get any income for it to make it profitable to
do that ???
Wayne
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Neil Morrison
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto
Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance!
Neil
From: Gary Clouse
They run a flash based version of
Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect
to MSN. .... Microsoft used its monopoly power to leverage
anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to
discontinue the Clipper.
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From: Sean Walton <ab8kf@...>
Oct 23, 2006
There is a precendent here that a company can leverage. The problem is ess=
entially where would a company get the income to be able to offer the servi=
ce AND remain profitable. It all comes down to the market: if the customer=
doesn't put in the dough, someone else must. Yahoo places an advertisemen=
t in the message that it transmits. Every click on the ad pays Yahoo $ (mi=
nd you, it's only a few cents, if that!). In order to keep a service alive=
, a company needs a baseline:
Hardware
+ air conditioning
=
+ redundant hardware
+ back up power
+ data back up
=
Personel
+ technicians
+ programmers
+ management
=
+ (accountants)
+ "human" resources
Facilities/Internal=
Services
+ leases
+ taxes
+ utilities (water, powe=
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+ janitorial
+ security (Hire-a-ba=
dge)
+ data banks/records
External Services
+ tax consu=
lting
+ business insurance
+ liability insurance
+ =
[full timers] health insurance
I think it's pretty clear that a regular bu=
siness pays a load of money for a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" servic=
es are usually frowned on by ISPs.
-MetalGimp
=
From: wayne <waynem@...>
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mo=
nday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM
Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Prest=
o
You
have a point there !!!
That
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would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license.
It
could be an Open=
service for any ISP or email service.
The
main problem is WHO would make=
it, and sell it,
and
still get any income for it to make it profitable =
to
do
that ???
Wayne
From: mailstation=
@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Ne=
il
Morrison
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM
To:
mailstation@ y=
ahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI:
Presto
M=
aybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance!
Neil
From: Gary
Clouse
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Windows CE and would allow a user to
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if that!). In order to keep a service alive, a company needs a baseli=
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+
data back up<br> Personel<br> =
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From: "wayne" <waynem@...>
Oct 24, 2006
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Your missing the point of that !!!
I would hope that a retailer would bring out the unit, just like DELL and
HP, and
other computer companies bring out products. The difference would be that
the
unit would be able to setup on "any" ISP, just like a normal computer does.
I don't expect the ISP to give the email service for free !!!
It would be nice however to have some choice in email package prices, and
which
ISP you choose.
It is like the new HP unit that allows you to "Receive" pictures....that is
great, but
I know my Senior Citizen relatives, and they ALSO want to be able to SEND
pictures,
and be able to SEND and RECEIVE emails with their friends and relatives,
easily without
the complex knowledge of how to work a full computer.
HP would have made more money if they came out with a unit that allowed a
digital camera
to plug into the unit and upload and send pictures back. Also a keyboard to
send emails with.
A mail unit that is Open to any ISP that would do EMails and pictures would
easily sell
out there to the General public. There just needs to be some effort by a
retailer to bring
that item forward !!!!
Wayne
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Sean Walton
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto
There is a precendent here that a company can leverage. The problem is
essentially where would a company get the income to be able to offer the
service AND remain profitable. It all comes down to the market: if the
customer doesn't put in the dough, someone else must. Yahoo places an
advertisement in the message that it transmits. Every click on the ad pays
Yahoo $ (mind you, it's only a few cents, if that!). In order to keep a
service alive, a company needs a baseline:
Hardware
+ air conditioning
+ redundant hardware
+ back up power
+ data back up
Personel
+ technicians
+ programmers
+ management
+ (accountants)
+ "human" resources
Facilities/Internal Services
+ leases
+ taxes
+ utilities (water, power, phone, internet, gas)
+ janitorial
+ security (Hire-a-badge)
+ data banks/records
External Services
+ tax consulting
+ business insurance
+ liability insurance
+ [full timers] health insurance
I think it's pretty clear that a regular business pays a load of money for
a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" services are usually frowned on by
ISPs.
-MetalGimp
From: wayne <waynem@...>
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM
Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto
You have a point there !!!
That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license.
It could be an Open service for any ISP or email service.
The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it,
and still get any income for it to make it profitable to
do that ???
Wayne
From: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups.
com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM
To: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto
Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance!
Neil
From: Gary Clouse
They run a flash based version of
Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect
to MSN. .... Microsoft used its monopoly power to leverage
anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to
discontinue the Clipper.
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or=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>Your
missing the po=
int of that !!!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D857095815-24102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
06>I
would hope that a retailer would bring out the unit, just like DELL a=
nd HP,
and</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
e=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>other
computer companies bring out =
products. The difference would be that
the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
6>unit
would be able to setup on "any" ISP, just like a normal computer
d=
oes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
SPAN
class=3D857095815-24102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>I
don't=
expect the ISP to give the email service for free !!!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
=
class=3D857095815-2=
4102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>It
would be nice however to have=
some choice in email package prices, and
which</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006=
you choose.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
ff size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D857095815-24102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
IV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-2410=
2006>It is
like the new HP unit that allows you to "Receive" pictures....t=
hat is great,
but</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
0ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>I know
my Senior Citizen rel=
atives, and they ALSO want to be able to SEND
pictures,</SPAN></FONT></DIV=
24102006>and be
able to SEND and RECEIVE emails with their friends and rel=
atives, easily
without</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>the
complex knowledge=
of how to work a full computer.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
l color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D857095815-24102006></SPAN></FONT>=
</DIV>
=3D857095815-24102006>HP
would have made more money if they came out with =
a unit that allowed a digital
camera</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>to
plug=
into the unit and upload and send pictures back. Also a keyboard to =
send emails with.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
0ff size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D857095815-24102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-241=
02006>A mail
unit that is Open to any ISP that would do EMails a=
nd pictures would
easily sell</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006>out
there to the=
General public. There just needs to be some effort by a
retailer to=
bring</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
item forward !!!!</SPAN></FONT></DI=
V>
class=3D85709581=
5-24102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
ff size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D857095815-24102006>Wayne</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
V><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN
class=3D857095815-2410=
2006> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D857095815-24102006></SPAN></FONT> <=
/DIV>
ft><FONT face=3DTahoma
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</=
B> mailstation@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]<B>On=
Behalf Of </B>Sean
Walton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21=
PM<BR><B>To:</B>
mailstation@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ma=
ilstation] Re: FYI:
Presto<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new =
york, times, serif">
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times=
new roman,new york,times,serif">There
is a precendent here that a compa=
ny can leverage. The problem is
essentially where would a company =
get the income to be able to offer the
service AND remain profitable.&nb=
sp; It all comes down to the market: if the
customer doesn't put in the =
dough, someone else must. Yahoo places an
advertisement in the mes=
sage that it transmits. Every click on the ad
pays Yahoo $ (mind y=
ou, it's only a few cents, if that!). In order to
keep a service a=
live, a company needs a baseline:<BR><BR>
Hardware<BR>=
+ air
conditioning<BR> =
+ redundant
hardware<BR> + =
back up
power<BR> + data back up<BR> =
;
Personel<BR> +
technicia=
ns<BR> +
programmers<BR> =
; +
management<BR> +
(acc=
ountants)<BR> + "human"
resources<BR>&nbs=
p; Facilities/Internal
Services<BR> =
+ leases<BR>
+ taxes<BR> &nbs=
p; + utilities (water,
power, phone, internet, gas)<B=
R> +
janitorial<BR> &nb=
sp; + security
(Hire-a-badge)<BR> +=
data
banks/records<BR> External Services<BR> &nb=
sp;
+ tax consulting<BR> &nbs=
p; + business
insurance<BR> + liability
=
insurance<BR> + [full timers] health
in=
surance<BR><BR>I think it's pretty clear that a regular business pays a loa=
d
of money for a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" services are us=
ually
frowned on by ISPs.<BR>-MetalGimp<BR><BR>
style=3D"FONT-=
SIZE: 12pt; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; FONT-FAMILY: times new r=
oman,new york,times,serif">-----
Original Message ----<BR>From: wayne &l=
t;waynem@handypage.<WBR>net><BR>To:
mailstation@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR=
1:45:52 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [mails=
tation] Re: FYI: Presto<BR><BR>
AN class=3D586304319-23102006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Y=
ou
have a point there !!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
4319-23102006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
or=3D#0000ff size=3D2>That
would have to stay under the "Free" Linux lic=
ense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
e=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
AN class=3D586304319-23102006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=
t
could be an Open service for any ISP or email service.</FONT></SPAN></=
DIV>
00ff size=3D2>The
main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it, </FONT=
olor=3D#0000ff size=3D2>and
still get any income for it to make it profi=
table to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>do
that ???</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
=
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
6><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Wayne</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</=
B> mailstation@ yahoogroups.
com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. com=
]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Neil
Morrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 20,=
2006 9:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
mailstation@ yahoogroups. com<BR><B>Subjec=
t:</B> Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI:
Presto<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
id=3Dygrp-text>
s a Linux mail
appliance!</FONT></DIV>
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just: none; font-stretch: normal">-----
Original Message ----- </DIV=
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-STY=
LE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; font-size-adjust: non=
e; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
com href=3D"mailto:niklaus37217@..."
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t>
a user
to quickly connect<BR>to MSN. .... Microsoft used=
its monopoly
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From: "jspraul" <jspraul@...>
Oct 25, 2006
What you are looking for (the AMD PIC pc) was offered fairly recently
in th=
e United States by RadioShack. Unfortunately no one was willing
to subsidiz=
e what it cost to put together (and it ran Windows CE...),
so due to its un=
popularity I can't find it as being available anymore.
I think they were as=
king $300 for an underpowered PC that was locked
up tight and didn't even h=
ave an ethernet port. (Did offer modem & usb
which would meet your requirem=
ents.)
You can see the same device offered by ISPs in several other countr=
ies
as listed here:
(URL)
Information/0,,50_2330_12264_13469,00.html
More information is available a=
t the product's site here:
(URL)
~Jed
mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" <waynem@...> wrote:
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unit, just like
DELL and
ducts. The difference would
be that
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computer does.
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keyboard to
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October 23, 2006 1:21 PM
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Neil
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From: Gary Clouse <niklaus37217@...>
Oct 27, 2006
A linux web appliance.... There have been many
attempts to retrofit linux to the old web appliances.
There are several companies that make thin client
boxes that run linux, but they dont have the marketing
clout of MS. They are usually aimed at vertical
markets. (URL)ices.com can be searched
for these "thin client" or "Web Terminal"
____________________________________________________________________________________
Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com
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From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr@...>
Oct 27, 2006
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appliance.... There have been many
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to:niklaus37217@...">Gary
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client<BR>boxes that run linux, but they=
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